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Old 10-11-2018, 03:36 AM
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So glad to see someone recognize these lesser known variables in Staubach's record. I believe he could be ranked #1, and still be the most under-rated QB, because most have not considered what might have been. Would love to see a 22 year old Staubach playing in Clemson's offense today.
Same here my friend.
I went back to some old Cowboys games and he was just so much fun to watch. His arm talent alone, in a traditional run-first offense, no spread, no RPOs, no West Coast principles, no calling games at the LOS like today, pressure in his face every other snap, it was just highly impressive.


Here's a fun stat I cracked a couple years ago. It's the list of 20 best Passer Rating seasons above the league avg of that same year [post merger era].

.........QB .................Rating....% above NFL avg
1. Staubach '71.......... 104.8........ 75.5%
2. Stabler '76............. 103.4......... 62.6%
3. Bert Jones '76.........102.5......... 61.2%
4. Ken Anderson '74..... 95.7......... 55.9%
5. Stabler '74.............. 94.9......... 54.6%
6. Montana '89........... 112.4........ 53.34%
7. Staubach '73........... 94.6......... 53.32%
8. Griese '71............... 90.9......... 53.29%
9. Griese '73............... 87.8......... 51.9%
10. Tarkenton '73........ 93.2......... 51.1%
11. Staubach '77-----... 87.0......... 50.5%
12. John Brodie '70...... 93.8......... 50.1%
13. Manning '04..........121.4......... 50.0%
14. Ken Anderson '75 ...93.9......... 49.5%
15. Marino '84............108.9......... 48.0%
16. Rodgers 2011...... 122.5......... 48.5%
17. Young '94............ 112.8......... 47.1%
18. Young '92............ 107.0......... 47.0%
19. Jurgenson '70........ 91.5......... 46.4%
20. Tarkenton '75........ 91.8......... 46.2%
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Old 10-11-2018, 06:14 AM
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Will, you do realize football was played before the AFL and NFL merged, right? Those leagues had championships, and winners.

Had your title been "best QBs of the superbowl era", your stated criteria would be spot-on. As-is, limiting QBS such as Graham due to superbowl wins flies in the face of "ALL TIME". I know four Superbowls were played before my time, and I don't really remember any before that bright, shiny Dallas team played those ugly, dirty Steelers and lost. (Yes, those towels are terrible, as their name suggests)

There is room for debate in every list such as this, and there always will be. Every sport evolves. The only true way to compare apples to apples is to gauge each quarterback against the peers he was competing against, and how much the guy dominated over his own competition at that time. No all-time list is correct without Baugh and Graham, unless you exclude them from the beginning.

(please consider this light-hearted ribbing)
I do. I have no issues with those guys being in someone's top 10. I note that in a previous post in this thread. Btw, I have Johnny U No. 1 on my list more for what he did in the pre-Super Bowl era. He just happened to win a Super Bowl, too.
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Old 10-11-2018, 06:16 AM
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Outstanding post! I agree completely. Comparing rings sounds like a nice way to rate players, but it isn't realistic at all - especially in a sport like football where one player alone can't possibly will his team to victory by himself. Football takes a lot of skill on both sides of the ball to win championships, and great players stuck on crappy teams can't do much about it.

Dan Marino absolutely belongs on any top 10 QB list. No hesitation whatsoever.
We will agree to disagree.
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