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Old 05-16-2018, 05:06 PM
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Default Background on Belk transfer, how Clemson handled the situation

The Clemson Insider just wanted to pass along some information we were able to get on the sudden transfer of freshman defensive tackle Josh Belk.

As you know, Clemson granted Belk an unconditional release from his scholarship on Wednesday. What exactly does an unconditional release mean?

Under the current rules the year “in residence still exists.” This means Belk will have to sit out the 2018 football season unless a waiver is filed to the NCAA by his new school and is ultimately granted.

A native of Fort Lawn, S.C., Belk entered Clemson in January of 2018 as an early enrollee and participated in spring practices and the spring game.

“Unconditional means he can transfer to any school rather than conditional, which means you can transfer anywhere, but schools X, Y and Z,” a source told TCI Wednesday afternoon.

This source, who deals with NCAA rules and bylaws on a daily basis, said, “Given the national conversation on transfers the unconditional waiver will most likely become the norm in the very near future.”

And that explains why Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney and Clemson University granted Belk his release. With the way the climate is changing in regards to the new transfer legislation that will be voted on next month, more cases like Belk’s are sure to pop up in the years to come.

Clemson granted Belk his transfer unconditionally due to his mother’s declining health and other financial pressures in his immediate family.

At this time, we are not going to release any further information about what Belk and his family are going through, but what we can tell you is this. If Swinney fought Belk’s release, there was concern that it might not look good for Swinney or Clemson. Keep in mind the Belk family already had a lawyer that was involved in this matter.

“Swinney granting him his release was the humanitarian thing to do,” another source told us.

TCI is continuing to get additional information on this matter and we will release more as we get the appropriate confirmation.
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Background on Belk transfer, how Clemson handled the situation

Interesting take!

It will be interesting to see how schools continue to handle transfers in the future in terms of unconditional and conditional. It sounds like conditional releases will go out the door.
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:39 PM
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With the family getting a lawyer involved, something does not smell right.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:09 PM
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Yep, if they have financial difficulties, as many do, why the expense of an attorney. Sure could be free and might be to simply making sure kid can legally assure no undue financial implications for leaving one school to another. Can he still be allowed scholarships, etc. Would have made it look bad probably. Wonder what Saban have done? Not that it matters but many have blocked kids for various reasons. Oh well...next man up. In Dabo I trust!
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:24 PM
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Carolina may be closer, but it ain't that close...still an hour and a half. If his mom's health and financial pressures are the issue, he may be better served going back home and tossing bricks and shingles during the day and hitting the gym at night since he has to sit a year anyway....then re-evaluate after a year.

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Old 05-16-2018, 06:40 PM
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Carolina may be closer, but it ain't that close...still an hour and a half. If his mom's health and financial pressures are the issue, he may be better served going back home and tossing bricks and shingles during the day and hitting the gym at night since he has to sit a year anyway....then re-evaluate after a year.
THIS!!! Donít get me wrong, I have sympathy for him, but to transfer somewhere that MAYBE puts you a little closer? Sounds sketchy.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:17 PM
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Not being judgemental. But whenever there isn't enough information I've learned to be skeptical first. And I'm naturally a cynic.

Two pieces of information here seem really different. Dabo uses words like "good family" and the parents seem to be acting more in self interest and not the best interest of their child. Hiring an attorney makes it even more suspect to me.

Hard not to agree with all the comments about this having a fishy smell....
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:25 PM
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Did I read the depth tracker right? In 2019 we go from the best set of DTís in the country to Nyles Pinkney and whoever we sign this year? Wow, thatís getting scary thin at a position you canít scheme or mask away when youíre short on bodies, experience, or talent.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:35 PM
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Something doesnít ďsmellĒ right on this one. That said, I sure wish this wasnít (on paper anyway) a good player.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:48 PM
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Did I read the depth tracker right? In 2019 we go from the best set of DTís in the country to Nyles Pinkney and whoever we sign this year? Wow, thatís getting scary thin at a position you canít scheme or mask away when youíre short on bodies, experience, or talent.
Havenít looked at a roster but off the top of my head weíll have Darnell Jeffries, Jordan Williams, & Nyles next year at the position. Along with who we sign this year.

The Belk hit was definitely unexpected
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:23 PM
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Some wise posters on this thread.
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Didn't we just get a 2019 DT commitment? I know this one hurts, but it's at least something.
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Also, what are the chances XT or KJH or someone gets some work at DT this year, similar to what CW did? I know, Dabo has it under control, but this is just bizarre.
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Will and Robert are too kind and biting their tongue. The fact of the matter is Bell has been unhappy for a while now and suffering from buyers remorse picking Clemson. The family has been recruited by the Gamecocks, mainly 1 specific de f coach. Clemson initially tried to stop this but the lawyer the family was put in touch with effectively threatened a smear campaign. In the end, Clemson decided to save face given today's transfer climate.

If this tampering doesn't turn up the heat in this rivalry, nothing will. You may have heard the old joke that when Alabama wins a national championship, Auburn's recruiting improves.... Well the boys in Columbia ain't going to take whipping on the recruiting trail and field lying down anymore. As Muschamp once stated, " game on. "
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Will and Robert are too kind and biting their tongue. The fact of the matter is Bell has been unhappy for a while now and suffering from buyers remorse picking Clemson. The family has been recruited by the Gamecocks, mainly 1 specific de f coach. Clemson initially tried to stop this but the lawyer the family was put in touch with effectively threatened a smear campaign. In the end, Clemson decided to save face given today's transfer climate.

If this tampering doesn't turn up the heat in this rivalry, nothing will. You may have heard the old joke that when Alabama wins a national championship, Auburn's recruiting improves.... Well the boys in Columbia ain't going to take whipping on the recruiting trail and field lying down anymore. As Muschamp once stated, " game on. "
A few points:

1. Belk never waivered in his commitment, which came early. He even did some recruiting for Clemson. All of a sudden, he suffers from buyer's remorse? If that is true, he has been fed a lot of negative stuff ever since he signed. Players should be OFF LIMITS after they sign. That is really disturbing. College football is headed toward its demise if this kind of stuff is going on.

2. So the family has been recruited by the Gamecocks? Really? AFTER he signed?? Again, that is activity that, frankly, should be subject to investigation. If that is ok behavior, say goodbye to football as there is absolutely ZERO integrity left. And this "recruitment," by the way, would have to be enticements because there is nothing SCAR could offer him that is superior in the football category.

3. And then we have this lawyer thing. Because our staff actually would push back against one of their signed players' being "recruited?" That shouldn't be going on anyway. What would the lawyer be able to argue? That the staff, who was up front and faithful and committed to the player, would take exception to other parties' trying to get said player to transfer? So the school is supposed to just say, "Oh, that's ok. We have a program to run and didn't recruit others so that Belk would have his slot...and we need that slot filled...but silly us. How dare we think the other party shares any responsibility at all." IF the lawyer threatened a smear campaign, Clemson should consider initiating an investigation over that lawyer's behavior.
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Default Will, please explain a couple things.

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This source, who deals with NCAA rules and bylaws on a daily basis, said, ďGiven the national conversation on transfers the unconditional waiver will most likely become the norm in the very near future.Ē

And that explains why Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney and Clemson University granted Belk his release. With the way the climate is changing in regards to the new transfer legislation that will be voted on next month, more cases like Belkís are sure to pop up in the years to come.


Why in the world would they move to an unconditional waiver? Exactly what is the thought process on thinking the player was at some sort of disadvantage?
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A few points:

1. Belk never waivered in his commitment, which came early. He even did some recruiting for Clemson. All of a sudden, he suffers from buyer's remorse? If that is true, he has been fed a lot of negative stuff ever since he signed. Players should be OFF LIMITS after they sign. That is really disturbing. College football is headed toward its demise if this kind of stuff is going on.

2. So the family has been recruited by the Gamecocks? Really? AFTER he signed?? Again, that is activity that, frankly, should be subject to investigation. If that is ok behavior, say goodbye to football as there is absolutely ZERO integrity left. And this "recruitment," by the way, would have to be enticements because there is nothing SCAR could offer him that is superior in the football category.

3. And then we have this lawyer thing. Because our staff actually would push back against one of their signed players' being "recruited?" That shouldn't be going on anyway. What would the lawyer be able to argue? That the staff, who was up front and faithful and committed to the player, would take exception to other parties' trying to get said player to transfer? So the school is supposed to just say, "Oh, that's ok. We have a program to run and didn't recruit others so that Belk would have his slot...and we need that slot filled...but silly us. How dare we think the other party shares any responsibility at all." IF the lawyer threatened a smear campaign, Clemson should consider initiating an investigation over that lawyer's behavior.
Clemson should be at the door of the NCAA headquarters demanding THEY investigate....THEY have the capability to demand cell phone records and such....and the hammer to stop him from playing at USC.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:43 AM
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This one does not pass the smell test, and involving an attorney is the biggest red flag. Does Mom suddenly feel better now that the release is granted? I wonder where said attorney went to school, and is his work for the family pro bono? If not, be interesting to see where his compensation is coming from.

No one player is bigger than the health of the overall program. Young Mr Belk just became a lightning rod of attention for what sure seems to be a future as a Gamecock. Interested to see how he handles the added pressure. My guess is this will not be the last time he is a headline in the news.
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I'm beginning to wonder if the presence of the attorney for them may have some strings you could pull on. Not just how is being paid and how much. That's too obvious. But how did he get connected to them in the first place? Etc.

No matter. It's a real shame that once again we are possibly seeing the adults - his parents - not acting in his best interest but for their own personal reasons. That seems to crop up a lot DURING recruiting. But this is sort of new and rare that it either starts or continues after a kid is starting his new post-high school life at the college he chose.
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This one does not pass the smell test, and involving an attorney is the biggest red flag. Does Mom suddenly feel better now that the release is granted? I wonder where said attorney went to school, and is his work for the family pro bono? If not, be interesting to see where his compensation is coming from.

No one player is bigger than the health of the overall program. Young Mr Belk just became a lightning rod of attention for what sure seems to be a future as a Gamecock. Interested to see how he handles the added pressure. My guess is this will not be the last time he is a headline in the news.
Well, the law firm is Gaston, Marion, Stubbs.
http://gmslawyers.com/everett-stubbs


Senior partner, Arthur Gaston, graduated from USuC and then USuC Law. In his bio pic he wears a red tied with a black suit. He brings 50 years of influence.

Everett Stubbs: Going through his Twitter posts and followers- he's a BIG TIME college football fan and loves UGA and the SEC..... and he follows Will Muschamp.... all of which means he's anti-Clemson. He also wears a red tie and black suit, I assume in support of UGA.

Bill Marion is a lifelong native of Chester and a graduate of USuC Law.
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