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Old 08-18-2022, 07:35 AM
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Old 08-18-2022, 08:25 AM
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This terrifies me and not for the reason most will think. This terrifies me because every route should be an option route. This tells me that either a) the receivers couldn't understand coverages or b) the staff didn't trust the QB/WR to be on the same page. Either one is unacceptable. There is no reason to continue running a slant into a LB when the WR could sit down for a 6 yard gain.
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Old 08-18-2022, 11:25 AM
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It seemed our passing has not been up to date for some time so this is a welcome change. Throwing jump balls to Tee, Ross or Mike "coot killer" Williams worked great but once those guys left for the NFL we regressed.
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Old 08-18-2022, 11:53 AM
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This terrifies me and not for the reason most will think. This terrifies me because every route should be an option route. This tells me that either a) the receivers couldn't understand coverages or b) the staff didn't trust the QB/WR to be on the same page. Either one is unacceptable. There is no reason to continue running a slant into a LB when the WR could sit down for a 6 yard gain.

Every route absolutely shouldn't be an option route. That entirely defeats the purpose of scheming a passing game. Not every route is designed to get a player open.



To take your example you absolutely should keep running a slant into a LB if the play has a deep crossing route behind. A shallow slant pulls the LBs in the middle of the field up to give the QB room to put the ball between the LB and safety on the deep cross. And if the LB recognizes and drops to cover the deep cross you have the slant for more than 6 anyway. By making that slant an option you've hamstrung your play before giving it a chance to develop.
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Old 08-18-2022, 04:10 PM
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I like this... a lot.

Gone is the signal from QB to WR (or vice versa) when they see a defense lined up in obvious man coverage. Gone is the WR who keeps running a post thru 3 defenders' zones. Gone is the indifference to recognition of what the D is trying to do. It's not "all dependent" on the QB anymore.

Share the responsibility and share in the reward.

If the execution is there, I'm on the verge of loving this mindset.
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Old 08-19-2022, 06:25 AM
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Sounds like chaos to me.
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Old 08-19-2022, 09:32 AM
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Sounds like chaos to me.
Hopefully opposing defenses feel the same way
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Old 08-19-2022, 09:59 AM
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Maybe I misunderstood, but this sure seems like lots of growing pains getting receivers and QB on the same page. With the limits on live practice time, I sense many opportunities to throw the football where the receiver didn’t go. Hopefully they have this ironed out.
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Old 08-19-2022, 10:03 AM
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Make it easy....run the ball....lol.

I expect the passing game to take a few games to look good. Whether fans like it or not, we've got issues with the starting QB and accuracy. The next issue is a true freshman back-up who hasn't seen live bullets. It's going to take time.

Thankfully, I believe the oline will be markedly improved and we've got a stable of quality backs.
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Old 08-19-2022, 08:21 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood, but this sure seems like lots of growing pains getting receivers and QB on the same page. With the limits on live practice time, I sense many opportunities to throw the football where the receiver didn’t go. Hopefully they have this ironed out.
Phins, it isn't that hard.
Everyone eligible to catch the football knows within two steps after the snap if they are being man covered, double-covered, or not covered at all (zone).

This gives every one of those eligible guys the opportunity to make themselves a target instead of running their assigned route straight into a defender.

It's the 3 R's of receiving... Read, React, Run (but not necessarily in that order)
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Old 08-19-2022, 09:31 PM
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Streeter’s comments are basically my concern. Is DJ comfortable reading and reacting at game speed? Last season his clock was too slow reading the field. Have they had enough time to build the chemistry?

"It's very important that we grind them and we're all on the same page because when you're reading routes a lot the biggest issue is when you're not on the same page. The quarterback throws it one way and the receiver's running the other way," Streeter said. "Just getting a lot of repetition, and teaching, teaching, teaching and getting better and better. They'll gain more confidence from it."
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Old 08-19-2022, 10:50 PM
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I totally get that all WRs should look for the whole in defenses. But if we have 4 guys eligible to catch a pass, I too am wondering how the QB can see that also. And like another poster above said, sometimes it's good to run to a defender to keep that defender off another route. And the QB sometimes needs to throw it where the WR WILL or SHOULD be.

To be honest, I don't see how most QBs can see the field over so many guys anyway.

I get it though, as it makes sense to react and adjust on the fly. We just need QB and WRs to be able to be on the same page which seemed difficult last year and the WRs were supposed to end up at a pre-established place.

The ability of the OL to block and pick up blitzes will be key for this IMO.

I look forward to seeing how it works out! It will totally help with Ds not being able to know where to defend as much!
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Old 08-20-2022, 06:19 AM
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I think this is a potentially positive change. Could be chaotic but I think most teams run a ton of option routes. I think that our lack of doing so has been a complaint of our previous OC in fact.

I'm not sure that every receiver on every play will have an option route. It may be the primary and secondary reads or something that have an option.

I like hearing that they wanted to make changes and simplify things. It'll be interesting to see it unfold.
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Old 08-20-2022, 06:42 AM
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This terrifies me and not for the reason most will think. This terrifies me because every route should be an option route. This tells me that either a) the receivers couldn't understand coverages or b) the staff didn't trust the QB/WR to be on the same page. Either one is unacceptable. There is no reason to continue running a slant into a LB when the WR could sit down for a 6 yard gain.
I agree 100%. This presents even more evidence that DJ could not read defenses last year and was simply throwing to the route. It confirms what commentators were saying about the offense throughout the season. Option routes is not new to our offense. We ran them with Boyd, Watson and Lawrence. I guess we will see right from the get go if DJ has improved as much as they said. Or as previously stated, “chaos.”
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