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Old 07-20-2019, 06:04 AM
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Personally I disagree with Brownell and Swinney here. This process benefits the players. Coaches can just leave anytime they want and hang 85+ kids out to dry. This puts a minuscule amount of power back in the players hands to make choices that they and their family believes are best for themselves.
Well CDS and CBB aren't "student athletes". Coaches have earned the right to leave and take any job they want. Both of Clemson's coaches have been student athletes in a time when you could withhold water if a coach didn't like the way their players were practicing. Sorry but holding someone to their word and/or accountable or making someone push through some adversity shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. Making a kid NOT GIVE UP shouldn't be a bad thing. Instead of empowering the kids even more maybe we should make them work harder. Maybe people who think the student athlete should have all the power should maybe see the amount of time and money that goes into each individual player. Your talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars that goes into EACH player. See that's the thing we have talked about how players are being taken advantage of and not once do we talk about how much is put into these guys. No wonder these players think they can come and go as they want, we hold them accountable to NOTHING. I'm not saying we should treat them like property but treating them like princesses doesn't work either. It is what it is though.
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:49 AM
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Well CDS and CBB aren't "student athletes". Coaches have earned the right to leave and take any job they want. Both of Clemson's coaches have been student athletes in a time when you could withhold water if a coach didn't like the way their players were practicing. Sorry but holding someone to their word and/or accountable or making someone push through some adversity shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. Making a kid NOT GIVE UP shouldn't be a bad thing. Instead of empowering the kids even more maybe we should make them work harder. Maybe people who think the student athlete should have all the power should maybe see the amount of time and money that goes into each individual player. Your talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars that goes into EACH player. See that's the thing we have talked about how players are being taken advantage of and not once do we talk about how much is put into these guys. No wonder these players think they can come and go as they want, we hold them accountable to NOTHING. I'm not saying we should treat them like property but treating them like princesses doesn't work either. It is what it is though.
No you literally are saying we should treat them like property. You're saying we should strip away all agency from them. You're saying a decision and an agreement they make at 17 should lock them to one place until they've graduated. A decision that the school or the coach can reneg on at any time. You're for giving them no ability to improve their situation. You don't care about the players at all. You only care about what they can provide to Clemson.
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:19 AM
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Coaches have contracts with buyout clauses and penalties for leaving early. Student athletes canít be fired. There is no penalty for them leaving early other than the 1 year of sitting out which seems to be enforced less and less. So comparing s coach to a student athlete is apples and oranges.

Unfortunately the transfer portal is just something we are going to have to deal with as long as we are recruiting at such a high level. These kids want to play. Forcing them to stay at a school they donít want to be at is a cancerous situation for both student and school. Maybe they should treat the signed commitment like a coaches agreement with financial pay back for the year(s) they were here or remaining. Maybe it should be paid for by the school they transfer to.
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:57 AM
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1-schollies should be for 4 years ,unless the players flunk or do something else to be removed from school/team. Oversigning coaches pulling schollies, helped get us into this situation.


Second , to heck with this, "The Coach can quit at anytime BS" by every nutjob that wants to push this issue. Settle it, if the HC leaves, anyone at that he recruited is allowed to leave without penalty.


Lastly. leave the Portal, but also leave the year sit penalty, if they want to ad it back to the backend, fine.
Players shouldn't play somewhere one year, then make up an excuse and play somewhere else the very next seaon,just because they're not the starter.
Not doing this will just lead to more coaches oversigning and making the preemptive strike against players they think might leave.Make no doubt about it, coaches will protect themselves/team by doing this.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:15 PM
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Baker Mayfield said hello. Heard of Cam Newton?
Very few succeed doing that. They were highly publicized but not representative of what usually happens.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:22 PM
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Personally I disagree with Brownell and Swinney here. This process benefits the players. Coaches can just leave anytime they want and hang 85+ kids out to dry. This puts a minuscule amount of power back in the players hands to make choices that they and their family believes are best for themselves.
Coaches don't leave in the middle of the season or right when the season is about to start, unless they have been fired or are about to. In the winter and spring, I understand your point, but not when the season is about to start or has started, no, not the same.
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:49 PM
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Coaches don't leave in the middle of the season or right when the season is about to start, unless they have been fired or are about to. In the winter and spring, I understand your point, but not when the season is about to start or has started, no, not the same.

No they just leave in December or January, a month before 25ish kids they've spend the better part of two years recruiting are set to enroll, often leaving them scrambling.


The new transfer rules have given players agency without being held to the whims of people who aren't always going to put their best interests first. Anyone arguing against them is arguing against what's best for the players.
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:00 PM
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Very few succeed doing that. They were highly publicized but not representative of what usually happens.
Kyler Murray.
Troy Aikman
Jacoby Brissett.
JJ Watt
Russel Wilson
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:42 AM
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Kyler Murray.
Troy Aikman
Jacoby Brissett.
JJ Watt
Russel Wilson
The fact that you can list a few more names does not support your argument. Hundreds of players transfer. You have far fewer of them making the league.

Iím not arguing against transferring. Iím just saying it doesnít necessarily work out the way they think it will. Fewer than 2% are even drafted.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...onal-athletics
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:52 AM
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Personally I disagree with Brownell and Swinney here. This process benefits the players. Coaches can just leave anytime they want and hang 85+ kids out to dry. This puts a minuscule amount of power back in the players hands to make choices that they and their family believes are best for themselves.
I disagree, the players have all the power while being recruited in high school to make whatever choice they want to, once you make that choice you should stick with it unless something big changings with your pick. The only thing that changed here was he didn't win the job, and now he can go take somebody else's spot and hurt our depth. Doesn't seem fair to the teams or kids in the long run.
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Old 07-21-2019, 12:15 PM
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The fact that you can list a few more names does not support your argument. Hundreds of players transfer. You have far fewer of them making the league.

Iím not arguing against transferring. Iím just saying it doesnít necessarily work out the way they think it will. Fewer than 2% are even drafted.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...onal-athletics
What % of athletes that transfer make the NFL?
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Old 07-21-2019, 01:01 PM
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I disagree, the players have all the power while being recruited in high school to make whatever choice they want to, once you make that choice you should stick with it unless something big changings with your pick. The only thing that changed here was he didn't win the job, and now he can go take somebody else's spot and hurt our depth. Doesn't seem fair to the teams or kids in the long run.

Let me know the next time you're willing to lock yourself into a job for 4/5 years no matter how poorly it's working out or what better options may come along.
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:34 PM
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Let me know the next time you're willing to lock yourself into a job for 4/5 years no matter how poorly it's working out or what better options may come along.
Most jobs require you to sign a no compete agreement so you canít just jump straight to their competition, so that argument is totally invalid.
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